Translations #392

i-make-robots · 2021-12-22T18:33:57Z

i-make-robots
Dec 22, 2021
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IMHO if a translated string is only used in one class it should be ClassName.KeyName

This way a script can be written which scans all translation files and checks that the class exists and if the string is used in that class. This prevents build up of old strings.

In the class code it can be written as ClassName.class.getSimpleName()+".KeyName". This way if the class name changes the strings break (previous test mentioned).

It should also be possible then to write a test that all keys in english have matching KeyNames in the other languages.

PPAC37 · 2022-01-12T08:37:30Z

PPAC37
Jan 12, 2022

Can someone explain / detail / give a context of use?

src/main/resources/languages/piglatin.xml

Is it a dialect or a basis for translation into a language based on ideograms? (or maybe some kind of language like "Klingon" (Star Trek language)?)

Because I can't find it in https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php

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PPAC37 · 2022-01-17T07:57:40Z

PPAC37
Jan 17, 2022

To support the discussion

We may need a tool to

maintain a list of renamed '<key>' to be able to easily integrate/update a new translation file created on an old version and impact all the existing translation files. (or to maintain only english.xml and be able to automatically update the renamed <key> (when we have the tool) in the other existing translation files. )
add a timestamp or a version in the existing .xml translation files.
add a pattern like "codeLang_codeCountry" ig "en_EN" or "fr_FR" (edit : at the end of the filename) to avoid loading all the .xml in the current directory when we load the language in the current dir of the user.

Modify the current lnguage .xml format so that the key is used as id and therefore uniqueness is easily checked / validated.
(Edit : but this is not actualy posible with a xsl based trasformation like src/main/resources/languages/language_v0_To_v1.xsl in #455 due to the fact that some key value are not NCName compatible ( NCName as a name in xml ... have limitations ... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1631396/what-is-an-xsncname-type-and-when-should-it-be-used )

#455
#456

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PPAC37 · 2022-01-17T09:01:03Z

PPAC37
Jan 17, 2022

To ilustrat XML validation (under NetBeans 12.6 but you may have the equivalent under Eclips or IntelliJ )
(NO DTD -> errors )

( With an adapted DTD )

on german.xml :

XML Transformation with a .xsl to add as id attribut to the element string the value of is element key

XML Validation of the output ( we no have a id unicity check cf "... must be unique ... " (but have to clean the key to be NCName (charlimitation like no space, ...) cf "... must be an NCName ... " )

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PPAC37 · 2022-01-21T10:04:27Z

PPAC37
Jan 21, 2022

#461

in case of Duplicated Key with not the same value ?

#461 (comment)

Make a judgement call after asking a native speaker of the language which translation is more accurate.
Also check if more than one place in the code uses the same phrase, it might be better to split into two keys.

#462

do we keep unused key ?

#462 (comment)

I wouldn't keep old keys. if we need to restore them ... that's what github is for.

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i-make-robots · 2022-01-21T16:55:48Z

i-make-robots
Jan 21, 2022
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If you are not a native speaker, kick it sideways to someone who is. Focus on making your native tongue translate well. :)

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i-make-robots · 2022-02-04T17:46:17Z

i-make-robots
Feb 4, 2022
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Should we name the language files based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes ?

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PPAC37 Feb 4, 2022

Should we name the language files based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes ?

Maybe and also try to match https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/util/ResourceBundle.html#getBundle(java.lang.String,%20java.util.Locale,%20java.lang.ClassLoader,%20java.util.ResourceBundle.Control)

<a catalogue name>_<language_2_char_code_iso_639-1>[_<contry_2_char_code_iso_3166>[_<variant>]].xml

so something like :

Makelangelo_en.xml
Makelangelo_fr.xml
Makelangelo_fr_FR.xml
Makelangelo_fr_CA.xml
...

i-make-robots · 2022-02-04T17:57:37Z

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Feb 4, 2022
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https://crowdin.com/ ?

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PPAC37 Feb 4, 2022

is it long terme free ?

PPAC37 Feb 6, 2022

lets try :) https://crwd.in/marginallyclevermakelangelo-so

i-make-robots · 2022-02-04T23:10:41Z

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Feb 4, 2022
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Translator could be completely replaced with ResourceBundle and then all the work to date would be redone with all the associated headaches and bugs.

If it is not completely replaced then we could have two competing similar systems...and that's messy.

So for those reasons I'm not a fan of ResourceBundle. Long term maybe someone wants to do all that work. I wish that person good luck!

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i-make-robots · 2022-03-02T20:03:07Z

i-make-robots
Mar 2, 2022
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While updating documentation I noticed that plotter settings still shows max speed instead of travel speed. I have changed it in english. how do we mark the others as out of date?

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PPAC37 Mar 2, 2022

how do we mark the others as out of date?

Not easy, I have not yet found a practical technique, I had proposed to put a comment in the other files ... (like  ... )

To be radical and simpler, if the value changes, the key should also be changed (as this key will not exist in the other translations... and therefore the translation cannot be inconsistent...)

or else need to keep up to date a list of the values that have been changed ... but there too this does not seem to be ideal...

Without a tool to clearly identify the types of modification of english.xml (deletion / addition / renaming of keys and/or modification of value) it will remain "handmade" and difficult to manage well.

i-make-robots · 2022-03-02T21:03:40Z

i-make-robots
Mar 2, 2022
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Yeah.. the best way I could see was post it here. All translators should follow this thread and devs should keep tech talk to a minimum.

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i-make-robots · 2022-03-16T17:00:55Z

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Mar 16, 2022
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	<!-- to update / review -->
	<string>
		<key>SaveGCode.splitGCodeTitle</key>
		<value>Many colors detected</value>
	</string>

	<!-- to update / review -->
	<string>
		<key>SaveGCode.splitGCodeQuestion</key>
		<value>There are %1 tool changes in this drawing.  Split into separate files?</value>
	</string>```

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