Skip to content
New issue

Have a question about this project? Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community.

By clicking “Sign up for GitHub”, you agree to our terms of service and privacy statement. We’ll occasionally send you account related emails.

Already on GitHub? Sign in to your account

Stricter definition of numerics #3591

Open
3 tasks
HansOlsson opened this issue Oct 24, 2024 · 2 comments
Open
3 tasks

Stricter definition of numerics #3591

HansOlsson opened this issue Oct 24, 2024 · 2 comments
Labels
discussion Indicates that there's a discussion; not clear if bug, enhancement, or working as intended
Milestone

Comments

@HansOlsson
Copy link
Collaborator

There has been a background discussion regarding floating point semantics, especially for the weird cases and I thought it would be best to get some agreement.

For the weird cases I mean:

  • Denormalized numbers and underflow
  • Not a number, and failure to evaluate
  • Infinity and overflow

My thinking is that we use IEEE-754 (alternatively any similar floating point numbers system) with the following extras:

  • Denormalized numbers can be rounded to zero, or gradual underflow can be used - either is fine:
    • Most processors have this capability. If a model depends on gradual underflow and specific denormalized numbers I would say that it is ill-formed.
    • Since we don't allow equality comparison between reals expressions (and allow event-epsilon), we should in particular not do equality comparison with denormalized numbers (to tell them from zero) so I don't see that models will be impacted by this (except in weird cases)
    • The reason for rounding them to zero is that denormalized number are costly in terms of performance.
  • NaN (Not a Number) can propagate in the normal way (so that sqrt(-1) just generates NaN and e.g., 56.6*NaN is NaN), provided that an accepted model evaluation does not contain:
    • Any variable having the value NaN
    • Any relational operator using NaN as an operand
    • Any conversion to integer using NaN as an operand
    • (Maybe additional similar restrictions). The logic is that since NaN spreads to everything we just have to check the result, not all individual expressions. I don't know if this will gain anything, but I don't see a problem with allowing it.
  • Failure to evaluate (such as 0/0). One possibility is to generate quiet NaN according to previous, another is to fail; both should generate the same result (at end). Unless the intermediate NaN does not impact the result. That is a modeling issue that tools are not required to detect (at the end)
  • Infinity. One possibility is to just do as for NaN for +/-infinity, but another alternative is given below
  • Overflow. If the correctly rounded result cannot be represented in the range from smallest to largest finite floating point number we get overflow; that is treated as infinity above.

To me it would be good to have this now, and the possible extension for infinity is to allow:

At least for evaluable parameters allow:

  • Parameters bound to +/-infinity, and relational operators with one or both sides being +/-infinity (excluding both sides being the same infinity), with the usual semantics
  • Parameter expressions evaluating to +/-infinity
  • Not part of systems of equations
  • Whether 1/0 should be allowed is a point worth discussing
  • But, we likely want to keep the simplification p*0*x simplifying to 0 (see below), instead of getting NaN and failure.

And possibly even for other parameters, and even discrete variables.

Background - the critical points for not "just using IEEE-754" are:

  • Solving system of equations with non-finite numbers (as residuals and/or solutions) is not a good idea (and not well-defined).
  • We want to allow mathematical simplifications that are valid for finite numbers, but that are not legal if we allow non-finite numbers (such as a=p*0; giving a=0 and a+p=b+p; giving a=b;) and similarly we don't want to allow non-finite solutions.
  • The idea with IEEE-754 is to be precise in terms of computations, but the advanced simplifications makes those guarantees less meaningful.

Specifically it could be that the simplification p*0*x is sufficiently rare for evaluable parameters that we can delay it until evaluating the evaluable parameters, and in case it is actually infinity view this expression as an error (should be rare, right?).

However, even if this might make perfect sense and have very little impact for models in practice, it could still be complicated to implement in tools. That's one reason I think we should do this later.

Note that for NaN a special case would be something like:

algorithm
   x:=sqrt(y);
   if y<0 then
     x:=0;
   end if;

To me this model has an error when y<0, but a tool does not necessarily have to detect it (if using NaN for negative sqrt it will be overwritten); and even with our current rules, https://specification.modelica.org/master/operators-and-expressions.html#evaluation-order , a tool could simplify this to:

algorithm
   if y<0 then
     x:=0;
   else
     x:=sqrt(y);
   end if;

(avoiding the issue).

@HansOlsson HansOlsson added the discussion Indicates that there's a discussion; not clear if bug, enhancement, or working as intended label Oct 24, 2024
@casella
Copy link
Collaborator

casella commented Oct 24, 2024

(Reporting and adapting my argument from #4479, since it is relevant for this discussion.)

Note that expressions in the Modelica code are not always interpreted literally.

A Modelica tool is free to apply transformations to expressions and equations that are equivalent from a mathematical point of view, but not from a numerical point of view. For example, it can

  • evaluate constant terms at compile time
  • rearrange terms e.g. a + b + c -> (a + c) + b, because some of them are constant or for other good reasons
  • rescale variables and equations based on nominal attributes, which is in general a good idea if SI units are used, see DOI:10.1145/3158191.3158192, in order to obtain better scaled equations for numerical solvers
  • replace expressions with other expressions that are mathematically equivalent but, hopefully, better numerically behaved
  • solve/simplify equations and inequalities by symbolic manipulation
  • differentiate equations for index reduction
  • apply AD to the algorithmic code of functions to automatically generated derivatives required by the solvers or for index reduction
  • etc. etc.

Adding NaN, Inf and the associated semantics to Modelica means that every time a tool applies any such transformation, it will need to take care of that as well.

As Aesop wrote in his fables, be careful what you wish for, lest it comes true! 😃

@HansOlsson
Copy link
Collaborator Author

Numerical routines should be written to avoid overflow.
If you look at something simple like the 2-norm in the BLAS-routine dnrm2 you can see that this is something that people actually do.

For scaling it is both important and normally a non-issue.
The reason is that scaling is intended to get values closer to 1 and if scaling introduces an overflow it indicates that not only is the scaling not doing what it is supposed to do, but actually making the problem worse.

If you look at the scaling defined in the Modelica specification it uses |x.nominal|+|x| as scale factor for x. You don't have to divide by it, but if you do - dividing x by this scale factor is by definition guaranteed to produce a value <=1 in absolute terms, and thus not overflow (it may underflow if x was close to the smallest number and the nominal value larger than 1, but underflow is less of an issue - especially as this case indicates that the modeler don't care about such a small value).

The only issue is if |x.nominal| is close to the maximum floating point number (DBL_MAX), and the variable also has a value of similar magnitude. Adding a restriction that |nominal| should be less than something like DBL_MAX*DBL_EPSILON avoids that case, and I don't see any existing models violating that. Alternatively we could recommend max(|x.nominal|, |x|) instead, - which avoids the issue without any restriction, or some other alternative.

@HansOlsson HansOlsson added this to the 2024-November milestone Nov 6, 2024
Sign up for free to join this conversation on GitHub. Already have an account? Sign in to comment
Labels
discussion Indicates that there's a discussion; not clear if bug, enhancement, or working as intended
Projects
None yet
Development

No branches or pull requests

2 participants