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Project itz fixes v2 #2
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I suggest to not get rid of Hpres like you did. Now you assume that it is always measured at ground level, which is just not always the case. In meteo-stations it is often done 1m above the ground but I would suggest to make it a parameter for when case studies are modelled and e.g. the pressure is measured on the roof of the building. So we did not model 100m and then 100m back up. If Hpres was at 1m, we modelled 1m down and then 100m up with the same density. This workaround was nececarry because density colmuns could not have a negative heights and otherwise Hpres could not be higher then the zones. It had the additional benefit that the reference pressure (either port a or port b) could be fixed. So suggested changes In: With regards to using the The cavity stack heights are not correctly implemented now. For each model in which a cavity can be moddelled the correct column heights need to be implemented (hA and hB). This goes back to our discussion here: open-ideas#1338 for internal walls, but the same parameters need to be changed in the window component as it not just the average of the other columns heights. So in general, I agree with the alternative logic of your implementation but the stack-effect of the open-cavities is not correct due to the convention difference now. |
@kldjonge I added Regarding the Door model. I had another look at the equations. It seems that the model does not distinguish between the pressure of the top and bottom ports. The model assumes that both are equal to 'the zone pressure', abstracting the hight within the zone away. This seems consistent with the current use within Then there are the equations within the model, and the parameters of the model. The way I see it, the internally computed 'stack offset' should be zero at the bottom of the door, since you chose the zone pressure to be defined at the floor level (I think?). So based on:
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What you say is correct. The door model only computes stack-effect within the model. So the new implementation is also correct with regards to not having 'external' density columns when a cavity is present. But I always assumed that the zone-pressure is in the middle of the zone (as this is the assumption of for temperature as well and it seems unlogical to have it at different positions), hence the need to substract half the zone height to position the door at the floor height. |
Okay, so |
I commented this in the other issue that proposes a solution: If we don't see it necessary to check for equal absolute floor heights then hA and hB are hZoneA/2 and hZoneB/2 respecitvely for cavities in an internal wall. |
6454345 is not be a no-flow situation when simulated. Temperatures indoors do not evolve towards the intended steady-state stay of 10°C. Because of this temperature differences exists as well as airflow. I believe it has to do with the long-wave radiation (solBus.Tenv<10°C). |
@kldjonge you are correct: the ambient temperature is set to 10°C, but the sky temperature (used for radiation) is calculated somewhere in the I sent the simulation results of that specific case ( |
Used EU units in line with the whole n50-q50 implementation
Using the rectangular zone template required a top-level Medium declaration for it to work.
disclaimer: opening flow not verified at this point.
Veryfication ongoing
I have noticed this also. In DoorDiscretizedOperable the flow coefficient is C = CD * A * sqrt(2/rho) and the aperture area is A = CD/CDRat*L*dpRat^(0.5-m). The flow coefficient is also C = Q / dp^m = q50*A_q50/3600/50^m. Combining these formulas results in L = q50*A_q50/3600/50^m/CD^2*CDRat*sqrt(rho/2)*dpRat^(m - 0.5). This should be the Lclo for CrackOrOperableDoor. Also in CrackOrOperableDoor, for point_m_flow1, I believe we should have mMea_flow_nominal = if openDoorOnePort and interZonalAirFlowType == IDEAS.BoundaryConditions.Types.InterZonalAirFlow.OnePort then wOpe*hOpe*1.2*CDOpe*(2*50/1.2)^m else (if interZonalAirFlowType == IDEAS.BoundaryConditions.Types.InterZonalAirFlow.TwoPorts then 1/2 else 1)* q50*A_q50*1.2/3600. For point_m_flow2, mMea_flow_nominal = 1/2*q50*A_q50*1.2/3600. |
Just to inform you @flosfeld , I have been busy debugging these things in a different branch: open-ideas#1345, I hope to be done with the review this week. |
The default height is at the top of the window
Also moved around the models to fit in the new column resulting in annotation changes.
After long discussion among MZ airflow modellers it was proposed to use sim.Cs as default value for all surfaces also in the 2-port implementation. I included an override in the siminfomanager and outer surfaces to go back to the variable Cs implementation in combination with 2-port.
…_kdj KDJ fixes for Project itz fixes v2
@kldjonge I have made some revisions to your models:
outsideAir
component. This seemed more logical since you expect this component to give the correct pressure since it already has a variableHabs
.Habs
(or it's equivalent) from the stack height computations for walls/windows. As far as I understand this is more correct than the current implementation since right now, assuming you have a zone at height 100m, we'd compute a stack 100m downwards with densitya
and then a stack 100m upwards with densityb
, which is now what happens in practice of course.OutsideAir
already.)Hpres
since I found it too confusing with all the different heights and relative heights already.Can you verify whether you agree with this logic and whether you agree with the implementation?
@jelgerjansen fyi