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Agenda

  1. Overview of progress to date on sections of content:
  2. Overview of progress to date on other items
  3. Proposals:
  4. Discussion items:
  5. Next steps
    • Select moderator for next meeting
    • (Previous moderators, in reverse chronological order: Greg Wilson, Luke Johnston, Damien Irving, Madeleine Bonsma-Fisher)

Minutes

Present:

  • Charlotte Wickham (CW)

  • Greg Wilson (GVW)

  • Damien Irving (DI)

  • Kate Hertweck (KH)

  • Madeleine Bonsma-Fisher (MBF)

  • Joel Ostblom (JO)

  • Elizabeth Wickes (EW)

  • Novice R: no reports

  • Novice Python:

    • MBF reviewed Jupyter/Jupytext
    • JO

  • RSE:

    • GVW has done lots of updates, suggests merging and then reviewing on top of that
      • will do the merge and others will then comment
    • KH proposes splitting into project management vs. team management
      • Novice Py/R shares material on how to be a member of a project (e.g., why a CoC)
      • RSE material is material for people running a project (e.g., how to enforce a CoC)
    • DI: writing Python command-line scripts, almost ready for merge
    • GVW: where to explain how to write modules to be imported into notebooks?
      • DI: will add beside command-line scripting stuff
      • JO: discuss when to break things into modules should be here too - how to get code out of a notebook into a script
      • CW: novice should be exposed to the idea of reusing code outside notebooks, and there is already mention in the novice R chapter
      • EW: there is material on how to import in the novice material
      • JO: break at "dumping functions into file" but before "making a module"
      • EW: volunteers to help
      • DI and JO will point out starting points

  • JO: what Python plotting library?

    • matplotlib, seaborn, ...
    • GVW: votes for seaborn
    • JO: we're always going to have dataframes, so that doesn't require matplotlib
    • MBF: how transferable is one library to the next?
      • JO: it's complicated...
    • EW: installation headaches with seaborn
    • DI: static images are most important (because that's what winds up in publications)
    • EW: what about maintenance crews?
    • JO: altair has some annoyances
    • discussion continues in issue until someone is ready to put forward a proposal

  • GVW: prompts in the text?

    • DI: likes prompts - people can handle a dollar sign
    • MBF: no prompts (has seen people type it and has done it herself), and if you have to warn people, you can warn them either way
    • KH: no prompt unless the material specifically demands it
      • only include the prompt when it's specific to the content
    • EW: pro-prompt - "you know you're in Unix because you see the dollar sign" is the first thing talked about in the Unix lesson
      • important that they know difference between prompts in different contexts: shell vs. interpreter vs. cell
    • JO: death to prompts!
    • CW: no prompt in novice R book
    • CW: can we use prompts in RSE but not in novice?
      • split the decision: what to do in novice and what to do in RSE?

Next Meeting

  • Nov 5
  • Madeleine Bonsma-Fisher (moderator), Charlotte Wickham (note-taker)

Minutes

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